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Leaked Airbus "787 lessons learned" presentation
Thursday, December 4. 2008
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Funny .. i guess another lessons learnt case would be:
Do not circulate too much confidential information among unreliable 2, 3 tier suppliers
Do not circulate too much confidential information among unreliable 2, 3 tier suppliers
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2008-12-04 22:09
" .. this kind of intelligence is quite normal in business."
Proprietary/NDA slides from competitors included in internal presentations is "quite normal"? Is that how Sun operates now? It sure did not in the past.
If it is a "fake", it took a hell of a lot of work, and could probably only have been faked by Boeing itself (assuming the information from component supplier Spirit is accurate), and one would have to ask, what was Boeing's motive? Intentionally damage the huge 787 program to win a much smaller military tanker contract?
If the preso is from Airbus, they have some serious ethics problems. And if the preso is real, and Airbus' "story" is the preso is a fake, they have systemic ethics problems.
This just killed EADS hopes in the USAF tanker program and may kill the A400M, as well.
Proprietary/NDA slides from competitors included in internal presentations is "quite normal"? Is that how Sun operates now? It sure did not in the past.
If it is a "fake", it took a hell of a lot of work, and could probably only have been faked by Boeing itself (assuming the information from component supplier Spirit is accurate), and one would have to ask, what was Boeing's motive? Intentionally damage the huge 787 program to win a much smaller military tanker contract?
If the preso is from Airbus, they have some serious ethics problems. And if the preso is real, and Airbus' "story" is the preso is a fake, they have systemic ethics problems.
This just killed EADS hopes in the USAF tanker program and may kill the A400M, as well.
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2008-12-09 19:22
No sildes in the presentation. The problem by doing so it more a copyright than a ethic problem. The correct behaviour in this case is to delete them.
But why itīs not an ethic problem? Itīs a quite common practice to know as much as possible about your competitor and talk about it to your colleagues. This is business. This is the reason, why everybody in the technology sector just talks about the future shielded by NDA/CDA.
But: Iīm regulary hold presentations about our competitors. Hey, we have competitors in our presentations at open Sun events on a regular schedule.
I donīt want to speculate about the reasons why someone would fake such an presentation. Perhaps it was a supplier. Maybe it was an fired employee of Boeing. I donīt know ... thousands of possibilities.
This preso has nothing to to with the A400M ... completely different program. And the tanker business. I donīt think that somebody sees an ethic problem in such a presentation.
Even when this presentation is from Airbus ... do you really believe, that there arenīt similar presentations at Boeing? I would be scared as a shareholder when Boing has no department for competitive analysis. I assume this is the reason why Boeing didnīt cry "Foul!" so far ... just all the fanboys in the usual communities and blogs .... just my humble and personal opinion.
And by the way: There are several rumours that the NSA is helping the US economy ... not with the newest cryptographic technology ....
But why itīs not an ethic problem? Itīs a quite common practice to know as much as possible about your competitor and talk about it to your colleagues. This is business. This is the reason, why everybody in the technology sector just talks about the future shielded by NDA/CDA.
But: Iīm regulary hold presentations about our competitors. Hey, we have competitors in our presentations at open Sun events on a regular schedule.
I donīt want to speculate about the reasons why someone would fake such an presentation. Perhaps it was a supplier. Maybe it was an fired employee of Boeing. I donīt know ... thousands of possibilities.
This preso has nothing to to with the A400M ... completely different program. And the tanker business. I donīt think that somebody sees an ethic problem in such a presentation.
Even when this presentation is from Airbus ... do you really believe, that there arenīt similar presentations at Boeing? I would be scared as a shareholder when Boing has no department for competitive analysis. I assume this is the reason why Boeing didnīt cry "Foul!" so far ... just all the fanboys in the usual communities and blogs .... just my humble and personal opinion.
And by the way: There are several rumours that the NSA is helping the US economy ... not with the newest cryptographic technology ....
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