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Forrester about the future of SPARC

Thursday, July 29. 2010

Richard Fichera of Forrester writes in "Does SPARC Have a Future?":

Our net take is that while it may still be hard to convince a new customer to jump on board the SPARC bandwagon, existing customers have no reason to make an abrupt migration, and can wait and see if Sun delivers on the milestones that they will reveal over the remainder of 2010 and into 2011. As these milestones are disclosed we will have further analysis.

Interestingly there is an comment about Solaris on x86 at the end of the article:

On a related topic which we will address in more depth in future posts, Solaris on x86 will remain a solid enterprise choice for both current and new users. Customer issues with Sun were centered around SPARC and the strategic future of the company as opposed to technical issues with Solaris functionality, performance or stability. The continued availability of this proven operating environment, with an anticipation of continued investment and improvement by Oracle, is a strong positive for any customer looking for an enterprise-class Unix environment on an x86 platform.

Posted by Joerg Moellenkamp in English, Solaris, Sun/Oracle at 11:28 | Comments (12) | Trackbacks (0)
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"Oracle’s public responses were vague enough that they apparently increased rather than decreased customer angst" - very, very true and I keep wondering why oracle is shooting itself in the foot, knees and above with their total lack of responsible pr regarding solaris, opensolaris, sparc and so forth.

time for larry to speak up and endorse some roadmaps in public!

#1 max on 2010-07-29 12:09 (Reply)

Apple doesn't present public roadmaps, and is quite successful (although they do consumer computers, not enterprise computers).

#1.1 maciek on 2010-07-29 13:44 (Reply)

But they dont need customers with millions of dollars to purchase one server. Its a big difference to build some hardware for 400$ oder 400.000 per item. Need a new apple ? Go and buy one, need a new M9000 ? Wait for the boss(es) who will pay that.

Next step: Turn off PostgreSQL Servers without any comments, like apple ? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Bericht-Oracle-schaltet-Testserver-fuer-PostgreSQL-ab-1047876.html

#1.1.1 MJ on 2010-07-29 16:15 (Reply)

Well... I assume, that M9000 buyers have apropriate NDA signed and are informed quite well

#1.1.1.1 maciek on 2010-07-30 12:41 (Reply)

Good strategy: keep current customers happy (WE ARE NOT).. waste any chance to get new ones.

If Apple is your standard for datacenter/mission critical environment, good luck with that.

#1.1.1.1.1 Giovanni (Homepage) on 2010-07-30 17:09 (Reply)

You can be sure, that when you show real interest into buying an M9000 you will get a necessary information, about the future of the system.

It isn't the way that you sell an M9000 by thinking "okay, i buy one in the webshop" ... the customers talk with us

We, the sales consultants, have our jobs for a reason

#1.1.1.1.1.1 Joerg Moellenkamp (Homepage) on 2010-07-30 17:15 (Reply)

It was not clear to me that you were a sales consultant, but it makes sense now why the tone in all the posts. Like I said, you should post in a official Oracle-branded blog to avoid misleading your audience into thinking you're from the tech/engineering area. Your posts are nothing but totally/extremely biased.. but it makes sense now.

This post was not about M9000 but SPARC.. showing a long term roadmap is something that every enterprise customer wants (needs? demands?)... but any comment here is quickly turned upside and the main questions are left aside.

#2 Giovanni (Homepage) on 2010-07-30 18:05 (Reply)

Well, it looks like you don't read this blog for a long time. Let me guess, you just arrived with the OGB discussion. Everyone knows that i'm Sun-minded.

That said, i'm used to the ever-reoccuring point, that i'm a sales droid, a marketing ploy, an idiot, a sales guy. I know it is different, most people know it's different, that is sufficient to me.

At first i assume you don't have the slightest idea, what a sales consultant does. At Sun we called this Systems Engineer. Before that i was a Project Engineer. Both are deeply technological job. At second, i'm taking proud by being a Principal Field Technologist at Sun. You don't get there by being a sales guy

Furthermore the blog is not on Oracle resources, because this blog is in no way endorsed by Oracle. And i want to keep it independent ....

You didn't understood the answer: When you are really interested in the technology and to do business with us, it's no problem to get you an NDA presentation hold at your site. When you need the information to make a purchasing decision or you are a current customer that needs to know about the future.

BTW: You are aware of the fact, that John Fowler presented a Roadmap at the 27th of January CIC event when Oracle finally acquired Sun?

When you don't like the way i blog here, you are free to leave it ... that is the nice thing about internet. I can't please everyone and i don't want to.

#3 Joerg M. (Homepage) on 2010-07-30 18:31 (Reply)

No, I didn't arrive here with the OGB discussion and no, it was not obvious what job you have at Oracle. I'm saying that since you're a sales consultant, it's in your best interest to picture (and defend) the products you work with in the best way you can. And it's my opinion that you'd serve your audience better by make it explicit. It's kind of hard to separate work from personal here. End of story.

I don't understand why you have to 1) resort to name calling (I never lowered the level to call you a "sales droid" or anything close to that), 2) judge my understanding of what a sales consultant does (I've had and routinely do have contact with sales consultants for enterprise products) and 3) use the known "love-it-or-leave-it" strategy.

You would probably not receive so many complaints that this is a pre-sales blog when people who came here already knew right away who's writing it. Sorry if I have not followed you since the beginning but it should not take people months to figure that out. I usually like to understand the bias and interests from people who I'm reading.

Just so you know, I'm a system administrator and, despite preferring to work with product X or Y, I won't carry any flag forward if it means I've to blindly ignore facts just to remain "right".

Anyway, I think you carried my comment too forward and was quite emotional about it.

#4 Giovanni (Homepage) on 2010-07-30 20:10 (Reply)

1. Okay, i think i had to be more precise "I doubt, that you know what a Sales Consultant at Oracle do, who was until recently an Systems Engineer at Sun."

At first, my job as a sales consultant is to a part practically the same than an administrator, sizing of systems, answering technical questions and technical work, just recently i searched 100 ms on a productive system. Perhaps Sun was a little bit different than other companies, as it was a very technology driven company.

The other side is : Presentations, explaining things, giving an opinion.

2. This isn't a presales blog. Out of a simple reason: This blog is a private endeavour ... payed on my own money, mostly written in my free time or while travelling. I get no commision for this blog, just when you think that. It isn't even endorsed by management (there is a reason, why i have to put a disclaimer at my blog and why i use an extra disclaimer when it gets more delicate).

I don't hide the fact that i'm working for Oracle, and it's policy at Oracle that you disclose this fact when you blog about Oracle: "The individual owning this blog works for Oracle in Germany. The opinions expressed here are his own, are not necessarily reviewed in advance by anyone but the individual author, and neither Oracle nor any other party necessarily agrees with them."

Yes ... i'm getting quite emotional when somebody is questioning my work.

4. I don't ignore facts. On a given set of facts you can get to a multitude of conclusions. You have an additional set of information, i have an additional set of information. I'm hindered by the fact that i can't tell everything i know ... That doesn't make you point false, as well as my point isn't just a marketing or presales.

An example: I understand, that you would like to know early about new procs, but you have to understand, that there are very good reasons just to share such information under NDA.

And by the way ... people at engineering are even more convinced of their products ... you would defend your baby at all costs, too.

5. Take it or leave it has a simple reason. I've learned that for every person who dislike a thing, there is one person who like it exactly this way. The endeavour to please everyone is a futile one, as it's impossible.

So i won't change a thing of except of the development that occurs while writing (c0t0d0s0.org is pretty much different from the c0t0d0s0.org six years ago). And as long as the subscriber cound rises and as long as the people read my blog, i hope i make more things right then wrong. The logical conclusion out of it is just "take it or leave it".

#4.1 Joerg M. (Homepage) on 2010-07-30 21:37 (Reply)

I was NOT questioning your work. Do I have to jump and scream that multiple times ? Please re-read my last comment.

If you wanted to take something good out of what I said it would be "OK, I think it's better that besides disclosing the fact that I'm an Oracle employee I should also add that I'm a sales consultant". You can throw everything else out.

But good luck separating "work" from "personal opinions about work" (kind paradoxical if you ask me) when you intermix both so much.

If subscriber count is your measure of "being right" all the better. Keep it up! Cya.

#5 Giovanni (Homepage) on 2010-07-30 21:54 (Reply)

1. Is it relevant, whats my exact job, when the blog isn't part of my job? I changed roles in the past, i will do it in the future ... should i change it everytime, i have a new role ?

2. I'm disclosing that i work for Oracle. I'm as biased as every employee of oracle would be ... that's suffcient to me ...

3. No, subscriber count and pageview expresses for me, that i'm writing things people are interested in. ... and read carefully i've read "do more things right, than wrong".

4. BTW: If this would be a presales blog, i would write about Exadata all day long at the moment

#5.1 Joerg Moellenkamp (Homepage) on 2010-07-30 22:04 (Reply)

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