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What will be after Linux?Sunday, January 4. 2009Comments
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I think your view of Linux is way too narrow. Opensolaris is fine, but IMHO only on (big) servers. (Even there I had problems: 2008.5 failed in my test installation. Linux and ESXi were both fine. But back to my point ...). Linux is OK on smaller servers and has hardware support that's much broader than that of Opensolaris. And on laptops and desktops the hardware suppport matters. And one area where Linux really flourishes is small devices like mobile phones, NAS, routers, etc.
So I think you are correct that Opensolaris may be a better solution for 5000K+servers and Linux therefore may get problems, well that may come. But that's kind of 3% of Linux's market share. And even in the big server category Linux has big supporters. Not Redhat or Novell, but companies like IBM or Oracle. (I don't want to sound harsh, but both companies could buy Sun without even asking their bank before (die könnten Sun aus der Portokasse kaufen)).
1. Hmm ... what was the problem with your server? Why did it fail? Did you try 2008.11 ? Was a large step forward.
2. The "xyz could buy Sun" is nonsense. Letīs assume what happens when xyz tries to buy Sun stocks in large amounts? The price will go up ... in an extreme way. So they have to go to the bank anywhere. BTW: From all you credit crunch reporting i assumed you would know better about that 3. I think, that the support of IBM or Oracle is overestimated. IBM isnīt really a big supporter of Linux out of my perspective. They try to sell their pSeries or zSeries most often in big-server category. Most of the xSeries runs with Windows. Futhermore i donīt really think, that Oracle is interested in Linux, itīs interested in having a hardware abstraction layer for their products. 4. The nice thing at those small servers is: Mostly they contain the same hardware as they are just standard-components bunched together.
This article wasnīt about Linux vs. Opensolaris. It was an article about the lifecycle in technology. When you match the lifecycle of other technolgies you will see, that every product had its heights and its downs. This results in many questions: Is this lifecycle valid for Linux as well? If yes: How will the developer commuinity handle this. If not: Why?.
Is the success of Linux repeatable? Will Linux move into the small systems area (like routers)? Will it move in the large systems area (like SGI systems)? Are these areas mutually exclusive? Will Linux fork in regard of this split (i think it alread has, as the interesting parts of the Linux Scalability at SGI are in the ProPack)? What happens when SGI goes bancrupt. The last numbers werenīt really promising? What happens to Linux when IBM thinks it should stop to sell servers and concentrates on Mainframes (high margins) and Professional Services (high margins)? I donīt talk about 6 month or a year in this area. I think about a 5 years timeframe. Many people think of a stable state as itīs now ... butīs thatīs only a momentary perspective. Where is Linux in five years, where is Solaris in five years, where is IT in five years? Iīm pretty sure, that the market will look different then ... perhaps with a newcomer. From the existing systems i would think Windows, Opensolaris and Linux will be the major proponents of the 2014 IT. But perhaps we talk about a completly different IT where Operating systems are irrelevant as we just plug together special purpose modules via IP with a special purpose OS (perhaps striped down version of the major systems) to build computers out of network. My article is about IT futurology.
The next thing after Linux surely won't be one of the entrenched OSes today, so no Solaris, no BSD, no Windows, no MacOS.
If the predecessor to the "next thing" is on the scene today at all, I think it will come from the very low end of the scale: a cellphone operation system.
Hmm, thatīs perfectly possible. Especially when you take "cloud computing" (or the next name for a kind of distributed computing) into consideration. Mobile OSes will be at least the Windows of this age.
I think an ultralight o/s or no o/s is the way to go - a la JavaGuest http://research.sun.com/projects/dashboard.php?id=185
I think what we are beginning to see is a very fruitful competition and side-to-side existance of linux, os x and opensolaris.
the latter two are leading with respect to innovation right now: touch-ui's, open-cl, grand central, containers/zones, zfs, dtrace and crossbow. these things work as advertised and matter to users today. there is nothing remotely close in the linux space and if, for example, you read linus comments on multiprocessors you'll see that he is not intend on providing a vision for linux in the many-core age. he just wants a faster ssd and call it a day. that said linux is good at what it does and it has an unrivaled ecosystem that won't go away. it probably will continue to grow - even in the higher end server markets. but this ecosystem is very beneficiary for opensolaris and osx. well managed companies with resources and a vision will be able to exploit this dynamic. they can lead in certain areas while benefiting from the resources created by linux. at the same time the linux folks get some incentives not to become too lazy and perceive world-domination as already achieved. if sun decides to pick a fight with linux it will loose, but if sun exploits it's capability to make decisions and execute them without having to wait for word getting around at the basar, it should be in a good spot. don't be distracted by the rhetorics and flame wars - they just show that people are starting to pay atttention. this is a good development that working in sun's advantage - as long as sun keeps innovating and does not shoot itself into the foot. what sun needs to ensure if that traversing between the two ecosystems is easy and cheap. better features, consistency, quality and competitive pricing of support will alleviate the danger of ppl moving back. btw: any news on rock;)
I have news on Rock. Good news. But not news for for outside Sun ...
Hi,
ah, the secret weapon again
Technologically and mentally the company exists because of the many developers and hardware designers ... thus Sun survived the "retirement" of Bill Joy, a retirement of Andy would be not nice, but not the end either.
We have here already new generation of developers and new lead geeks. And besides of this Sun is the home of other real luminaries: Whitfield Diffie, Radia Perlman, Greg Papadopulos (he was one of the lead architects behind the Connection Machine), Ivan Sutherland ... no shortage of lead geeks And this is the DNA of Sun ... the company doesnīt exists because of Jonathan, albeit i think the company would be a different one without Jonathan.
1.) Can't remember eaxactly. But I can't remember how disappointed I was after I detected that Opensolaris couldn't boot from ZFS devices ... No I haven't tried 2008.11, the server is no in production use.
2.) Well at current stock price levels a lot of shareholders would love to sell their sun shares for 10 dollars. Market cap of Sun would still be around 7 billion Dollars which means "Portokasse" for IBM, Apple, Oracle, Microsoft, etc. 3.) IMHO IBM is an underestimated player in the Linux world. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/linuxkerneldevelopment.php IBM is number 3 on the list of Linux kernel code submitters with 8.3% (Redhat has 11.2 and Novell 8.9). Which shows that one of the good things about linux is the fact, that there is no single big player. 4.) In my case: uhhm, no.
I'd really like to know why the myth, that Linux isn't suited for "Big Iron", is still floating around..
The current kernel supports up to 4096 CPUs (SGI Altix), almost all supercomputers are running Linux (Hey! even Sun's supercomputer is running Linux! And you know why? Because Solaris has crappy Infiniband support!). Solaris doesn't even support cutting-edge lock-less features like RCU [...] But back to the topic: I agree with you, that it's impossible to look 5 years ahead. But I think we can be pretty sure, that there won't be a new "writen from scratch" OS. It would take years and probably two billion dollars to come up with something like Solaris or Linux. Second, I think all "free" operating systems are somehow tied together. You see, from a default users point of view, the current OpenSolaris isn't that much different from a Ubuntu. Both use Gnome, both use Firefox, probably Thunderbird, OpenOffice... What happens if Mozilla went out of business? It would affect all of us. What happens if Red Hat or Novell, which both employ lots of Gnome hackers went out of business? The same is true for Sun with MySQL, Gnome, OpenOffice and others. All that I hear from Sun people all the time is reapeating DTrace and ZFS.. YEAH WE GOT IT NOW
IMHO Sun only uses Linux on this supercomputer because there's no Lustre-port to Solaris, yet
Well, the Altix is a bad example for scalability of Linux. The performance characteristics of the Altix are more massive cluster like than anything else.
And interestingly ... even when the system has a global memory space, it runs with multiple instances of Linux (at least in the very large environments). Just look in the manuals of the SGI system
"And, yes, we will be running Linux on Ranger. Solaris, while a decent OS, is not yet ready for primetime in the hpc market."
Quote from one of the guys responsible for the supercomputer I have no idea about Lustre, but at the time when Constellation went online, Solaris support for Infiniband was rather primitive.
That changed a while ago .... one of the missing prime time things was Lustre. When you donīt know Lustre ... you shouldnīt hang your self that wide out of the window ... itīs one of the important components in modern HPC
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"back to the topic", so let's do this IMHO "What will be after Linux" will not happen, because Linux is too widespread these days; it's not only running on desktops and server, but also on handhelds, cellphones, lot's of embedded devices, routers, "Will Your Next New Car Have Linux Inside?" etc.etc. I think this list could go on forever Linux' only pitfall could be the license, with GPL becoming more restrictive or just the "you have to hand out the code if we ask you"-enforcement what I'd like to see in 5 years; my own little Server+Storage, locked securely in the basement connected with a fat internet (IPv6! + IPSec) pipe; thin clients everywhere (think of Sun Rays) or sun ray-like laptops (lost one? buy another for 20EUR and don't lose any data, because everything is safe @ home)/mobile phones and NO, I'll not upload all my data to you, Google, sry haha
So the question is: Is Linux a handheld operating system? A server-operating system ? A desktop? The Solaris of the future? The Symbian of the future? The Windows of the future? I donīt think that it can fullfill all this task in the same manner. Or is the Linux of the future just a umbrella for for several Linux kernel variants designed from ground up for different tasks?
on another note: maybe its impossible to think so far ahead. but unix has been around a long time and looking at the landscape there windows - and than there is unix. a lot of it: linux, os x, opensolaris.
I am pretty sure that unix will be around for many years. even on the handheld. look at osx! and in the future there won't be less servers. there will be more servers. and more people, even private people, will run servers. maybe on their phone given the bandwith and processing power is available.
I think you are right ... in the not so far future, the seperation between client and server will be a hard one. But is Unix or Windows really the correct way to go for such an endeavour? Perhaps we need different security concepts or different methods to deploy such services. Despite all words, deploying a secure server isnīt an easy task. Keeping it secure is even harder. Perhaps we have to think different about operating systems.
My bet for the first victim in this process are filesystems with posix semantics. I think they will be substituted by services like data management units with object based interfaces ... |
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