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My thoughts about the future of Sun ...Thursday, November 20. 2008Trackbacks
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Great post. We need to see posts like this up front and centre, linked from popular websites whenever and wherever possible
Nettes Posting welches sich aber wieder nur um die Produkte von SUN dreht und nicht um das Doing drumherum. 600-800 Mio Umstrukturierung im laufenden Jahr heisst das es im FY 2009 wieder nur Verluste geben wird. Deine Kollegen sind tief verunsichert wenn man fragt wie sie darüber denken, verständlicherweise. Was Verluste bei Euch bedeuten ist auch jedem klar der die letzten 2-3 Jahre beobachtet hat. Die Banken haben Milliarden verloren, wer erlaubt nun noch Millionen für sehr teure Hardware? Billige Hardware zu verkaufen hat SUN noch nicht gut genug gelernt.
Es gibt einen interessanten Artikel um das Vorgehn bei SUN: http://www.crn.de/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212100163 Da muß man sich schon fragen warum in Hamburg XY Entwickler an Star Office arbeiten, das aber kaum brauchbar beworben wird (sicher nicht weil es so beliebt ist). OpenSource ist nicht die Erlösung wenn man nicht versteht monetäre vernünftige Ideen umzusetzen. Mir hat noch keiner SOF angeboten obwohl ich stellenweise absichtlich darauf hingewiesen habe das ich z.B. OO komisch finde. Da kam kein Versuch SOF an den Mann zu bringen. Warum auch, die paar Euro interessieren ja nicht. Warum legt SUN nicht einfach mal jedem neu verkauften Server Star Office bei ? Auf Dauer bringt das mehr und ist günstiger als Kündigungen. Das alles auf die Rezzesion zu schieben ist zu einfach. Allerdings machen es viel zu viele Firmen. Ich wäre unglaublich betrübt wenn SUN verkauft würde, jedoch sehen meine Geldgeber (Chefetage) nur die Euro nichts anderes. Mit Emotionen kann man nur schwer überleben und mit reinem Hardwareverkauf bei den aktuellen Problemen der Marktwirtschaft auch nicht. Was nützen die tollsten Geräte wenn keiner das Geld locker macht oder es eben nicht locker gemacht bekommt ? Was nützen die tollsten Produkte wenn die Entwickler und Supporter gehen oder gegangen werden? Will Mr. Schwartz die alleine betreuen?
Mona,
viele grosse Firmen in Europe werden in Kürze auf Staroffice/Openoffice wechseln, da der Umstieg auf Office 2007 zu teuer und zu aufwendig ist. Ich selbst hatte Termine mit Seniormgmt bei den grössten der Branche und das Thema kam nicht von mir, sondern vom Kunden. Daher: stay tuned. Frank
Das letzte Mal wie OO "hipp" war, hieß es, dass es an den vielen, vielen firmenspezifischen Excel Plugins scheitern würde.
Gibts da jetzt was Neues ?
Wahrscheinlich hat man bei den anstehenden Kosten auf Office 2007 mal darauf geguckt, ob das wirklich so wichtig und wirklich so schwierig zu migireren ist.
Stimmt auch wieder. Wahrscheinlich ist das kurzfristige Beschäftigen eines Plugin "Programmierers" billiger als die ganzen Umschulungskurse für die gesamte Belegschaft ^^
Nice articel but i guess that the products himself cant help to safe the future of sun. GM also have great products, but there is nobody who will buy the products.
Well ... i don´t really think that muscle cars and Pick Ups are good products. Those cars have enough cylinder capacity to hold the fuel for 100 kilometres for a modern car.
no sure if it makes sense to compare Sun-Technologie to GM? Sun is like the german car-companies, number one in the world, best on street. Unfortunally the market has not understood that yet. The current crisis will bring Sun back to the top, as Sun is the only company that had answers to current questions in the IT-market.
Frank
Are you sure that SUN have the time to wait for the market? SUN is a big nervus bubble of some good ideas, but it have no answers because there is no clear and straight structure of that what sun like to be. If there is one with good idea for the customer, he came back to his manager and what dows he do ? "Can we do this? Im not sure (because i like my you and wont the next in the cut). Lets sleeo 3 or 5 weeks about this". Thats the problem of sun (one of them)
uhm typos.
"Can we do this? Im not sure (because i like my job and wont be the next in the cut). Lets sleep 3 or 5 weeks about this". Thats the problem of sun (one of them).
I tend to agree - suns problem mainly 2 things imho: lack of good corporate pr including clear roadmaps and wall street. besides all the loss sun posted - they still raked in $12 billion last year while wall street values them at 3 billion...
open source soft- and (!) hardware is the way to go. once we really start to see e-government to take off there will be a even bigger push towards opening everything. also: sun could very well become the apple of corporate space - if they would be able to take a holistic approach on their products, simplify them and have a unique and clear branding strategy. from the desktop to the server - sun has everything in its portfolio - it just doesn't feel like that everything is part of something that is bigger than its sum (...sun).
Fishworks is the way to get (Open-)Solaris into companies where Solaris is not strategic (e.g. also Windows-only shops)...
Waiting for more appliances based on Fishworks from Sun... I see this as the best way to spread the use of Sun products in the SME market. Assuming Sun's Marketing&Sales doesn't fsck up... IMHO, Sun's Storage 7000 will be a good indicator how the future of Sun will look like...
Yes the Storage 7000 series is nice but...
If Sun want to survive, and flourish, during the coming economic downturn they need to look at their pricing a bit and offer some cheaper options. Take the low end 7000 - why not kit it out with SATA drives instead of SAS and push the capacity by a factor of 3 whilst costing the same or less? True the performance will reduce but people buying a system that small aren't always going for maximum performance. Sun needs to get its head out of the Enterprise cloud and sell a few more machines for ordinary businesses.
No, I don't want to leave all CPU development to the x86 architecture (except for some high end/console stuff that IBM does with Power and Cell). Hell, the people at intel didn't want to leave CPU development on that platform either but they learned after their IA64 experience that (even if they'd implemented it better) the market would choose compatibility over engineering elegance (IA64 was imperfect but a lot better than x86) so long as they continued to receive faster and more powerful chips.
Ultimately then I think the success of intel can be seen as a monument to the triumph of economics and process over computer architecture. So sure I agree that Sun's rock processor is pretty damn cool and a way better design for certain market segments than anything intel or IBM can offer but that doesn't mean much. I mean this is the same reason that fixed function hardware isn't used to implement scientific computations, serve webpages or run video games. Sure architecturally it might give better performance for a fixed process but economically it simply doesn't work out, largely because of the huge overhead of chip fabrication and chip design. I'm not saying that Sun is in danger or won't be profitable, just that the sort of considerations you give aren't really very telling. In a large number of their products sun faces the same problem: they make better stuff than the competitors but their smaller market share means they must amortize the development over fewer users. To figure out what lies ahead for Sun would really require looking at the actual numbers. |
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