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Asking the wrong person ...
Wednesday, September 24. 2008
Letīs assume, you want know more about the new BMW X6. Would you ask a Mercedes sales guy standing in front of a M-class SUV? Obviously you wouldnīt to it.
Out of this reason,i have some problems with articles like this one: Is Sun Solaris on its deathbed?. Just one and a half pages uninformed, biased marketing material from the Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin. What a nonsense. When you want to talk about the future of something, you donīt ask the competitor. Itīs better to ask an unpartisan observer.
BTW: I really believe the Linux Foundation (as the commercial part of the Linux Community) is afraid of Solaris. When you look at Linux Foundations member you will find dozens of companies. The Platinum Member (aka the ones investing most into the foundation) are the ones economically interested in prospering Linux. Such fear would explain some paradox comments like "ZFS and DTrace is irrelevant" just to talk about "Sun should put ZFS and DTrace under the GPL" a few lines later.
<rant>At the end one comment to "And the Linux community is working on rival technology, Zemlin adds.". Yes ... there are rival technolgies. Kind of. There is no filesystem in the Linux market thatīs even near of ZFS. We started to develop it in 2001. Why does the Linux Community think, they can do it faster. Multipathing ... yes, there is something like Multipathing ... but itīs nowhere near of MPXIO in Solaris, itīs a major pain in the a.. to configure it. SystemTap ... obvious example of the NIH syndrome in Linux, just yet another kernel developer tool. The NFSv4 implementation is really substandard. And the behaviour under high load (really high load on Enterprise systems, not what the average linux admin perceives as "high load") is at least strange in Linux land. The list is endless. Many features of Solaris are available in Linux ... somehow ... in a kind. And there is only one feature in Linux, thatīs not in Solaris ... drivers for almost every strange brand of soundcards ...</rant>
Dear Inforworld: Just write "Advertisment" above the article next time you give the Linux Foundation two pages for pure marketing.
Out of this reason,i have some problems with articles like this one: Is Sun Solaris on its deathbed?. Just one and a half pages uninformed, biased marketing material from the Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin. What a nonsense. When you want to talk about the future of something, you donīt ask the competitor. Itīs better to ask an unpartisan observer.
BTW: I really believe the Linux Foundation (as the commercial part of the Linux Community) is afraid of Solaris. When you look at Linux Foundations member you will find dozens of companies. The Platinum Member (aka the ones investing most into the foundation) are the ones economically interested in prospering Linux. Such fear would explain some paradox comments like "ZFS and DTrace is irrelevant" just to talk about "Sun should put ZFS and DTrace under the GPL" a few lines later.
<rant>At the end one comment to "And the Linux community is working on rival technology, Zemlin adds.". Yes ... there are rival technolgies. Kind of. There is no filesystem in the Linux market thatīs even near of ZFS. We started to develop it in 2001. Why does the Linux Community think, they can do it faster. Multipathing ... yes, there is something like Multipathing ... but itīs nowhere near of MPXIO in Solaris, itīs a major pain in the a.. to configure it. SystemTap ... obvious example of the NIH syndrome in Linux, just yet another kernel developer tool. The NFSv4 implementation is really substandard. And the behaviour under high load (really high load on Enterprise systems, not what the average linux admin perceives as "high load") is at least strange in Linux land. The list is endless. Many features of Solaris are available in Linux ... somehow ... in a kind. And there is only one feature in Linux, thatīs not in Solaris ... drivers for almost every strange brand of soundcards ...</rant>
Dear Inforworld: Just write "Advertisment" above the article next time you give the Linux Foundation two pages for pure marketing.
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It's plain irony that some Linux folks use techniques they detested when being used by their competitors. Most namely "FUD"...
There is a point where it comes true that zfs, dtrace, mpio doesn't matter. It's a when you talk to young programmers who have grown up with linux and thats the vast majority I have met the last years. It goes like this:
me: hey, here is your new server with solaris.
he: cool, can I apt-get the newest version of $PHP-LIBRARY?
me: no, you must build it on your own.
he: can I have Linux?
Sure, zfs and all the other stuff is nice for sysadmins, but for the regular user (aka. programmers) its a no-goer. Sun should roll up there complete userland, OpenSolaris is there only a halfbaken and much open promise. Maybe it would be a good decision to buy Nexenta.
me: hey, here is your new server with solaris.
he: cool, can I apt-get the newest version of $PHP-LIBRARY?
me: no, you must build it on your own.
he: can I have Linux?
Sure, zfs and all the other stuff is nice for sysadmins, but for the regular user (aka. programmers) its a no-goer. Sun should roll up there complete userland, OpenSolaris is there only a halfbaken and much open promise. Maybe it would be a good decision to buy Nexenta.
If any programmer aka user wants to install anything he should be hanged, drawn and quartered.
If you want to have anything close to a stable and supportable environment you should state beforhand what your supported production versions for PHP, apache etc. are.
If you install an Enterpise Linux distribution you don't see any new versions for libraries, just bugfixes – just like in Solaris.
For webdevelopers look at the CoolStack aka Sun Webstack, it should statisfy most needs.
If you require something special you're on your own, regardless if you have Linux or Solaris.
Try to tame your developers. Don't mess with to many versions (even minor ones) of PHP.
If you want to have anything close to a stable and supportable environment you should state beforhand what your supported production versions for PHP, apache etc. are.
If you install an Enterpise Linux distribution you don't see any new versions for libraries, just bugfixes – just like in Solaris.
For webdevelopers look at the CoolStack aka Sun Webstack, it should statisfy most needs.
If you require something special you're on your own, regardless if you have Linux or Solaris.
Try to tame your developers. Don't mess with to many versions (even minor ones) of PHP.
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war ein nettes event in schwetzingen.... dank noch mal an @slashme fuer die moeglichkeit zum vortrag
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6853745 Same ereport is generated every 10 seconds automatically in looping after error injection http://tinyurl.com/nwldlg
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122186-13 - McData fibre channel director switch firmware e/osn 9.9.3 for i10K. Available since Jul/02/09. http://tinyurl.com/nmu5zs
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I already wrote about that weird article about Solaris in Infoworld. But Computerworld easly surpassed this performance in terms of embarrassment: They reprinted the one and a half pages of marketing on behalf of the Linux Foundation and even dared to cal
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I donīt want to blog any further article about the comments about the comments of the Linux salesman Mr. Zemlin. And as Ben Rockwood of Cuddletech.com wrote a really nice article with Jim Zemlin Lives in a Cave; or Linux Zealots Should Get Out More i don
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