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Why is Victoria Falls more important than Rock (in the short term) ?Monday, December 17. 2007Comments
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IMO either the Sparc64 or the Power6 based systems are way too expensive to be used for single-threaded performance issues. If that is the real issue, enterprise-class x86 systems are by far the most cost-effective choice. Like an X4600, for example.
If you need a fast database machine for Oracle to DB2: either you need to serve lots of requests simultaneously, then T2 oder Victoria Falls should be perfect. Or you need to maximize serial transaction throughput, in that case the number of disk spindles is the issue, certainly not the CPU power of a Sparc64 processor. Overall, from a technical point of view, faster Sparc64 processors sound much like a niche to me. Systems that need high single-threaded performance and high redundancy at the same time, and where you cannot achieve redundancy using clustering of application servers. Maybe an important niche, but a niche. So, from my point of view, Rock can certainly wait until 2009. But then, it shall better be good. Even Power5 is still quite a competitor for Sparc64, benchmarketing B.S. aside. On another note: We just bought a few of Sun's best and most current enterprise-grade JBOD FC arrays, so we can finally do some good ZFS testing. Using eBay, unfortunately, as they are no longer made. I'm talking about the A5200FC. Why is it that there is still no real JBOD system from Sun? One with data path redundancy from drive to host and with chassis monitoring? Thumper is great, but if a controller or the board fails, your system is toast until support arrives on site. There's still a gaping hole in the product line regarding enterprise-grade use of ZFS. I sure how this gets fixed soon. As long as it doesn't we will keep hearing "I wish I could use ZFS" from customers...
1. This "niche" is an really important one, because of the capability to scale beyond 8 proc.
2. The JBOD-Issue: Wait only a little bit longer ... we have some really interesting products coming soon.
125082-10 bringt mpxio fuer Solaris x86. Für SPARC ist der entsprechende Patch 125081-10 leider momentan "withdrawn" und wird gerade neu durch die internen Mechanismen gebracht ...
oh, 125082-10 bringt auch "6556852 mpt needs to support Sun Fire x4540 platform", das ist ja spannend...
Ein japanisches Forum sagt dazu:
Sun Fire X4540 2 socket with quadcore AMD Opteron, 48 SATA disk 4 RU 4 FY08Q2 early of FY08Q2 Klingt logisch, wenn man die Typnummer hernimmt und schaut wie die Upgrades für die restlichen Opteron-Chassis waren.
Patches und Opensolaris waren schon immer gute Indikatoren für neue Produkte
Unabhängig davon, ob nun mpxio mit SAS funktioniert, muß die SAS Enclosure auch erst einmal redundant ausgelegt sein und redundante interne Datenpfade zu Dual-ported SAS drives anbieten, anstatt nur getrennte Backplanes für Sets von Drives. Sonst hat man wieder nur das "Switch-oder-Kabel-fällt-aus"-Problem gelöst. Und wir ja wissen, fällt immer genau das aus, was grad nicht redundant ist.
Wenn das einmal alles da ist und auch wirklich funktioniert, dann brauche ich in der Tat auch kein internes FC-Interface mehr - extern reicht dann (und in ein paar Jahren vielleicht 10 GBit Ethernet).
"By the way: I don´t think we will see x86 Octo- or Hexacores anytime soon."
Just as an Info: Intel and AMD Octo cores are due in 2009. Intel's Beckton can do 2 threads per core, has 4 FBD channels, up to 24MB of L3 (or L4) and 4 connectors to other CPUs (QPI), Details of AMD's future chip are unkown. cheers Alex
Sorry, this point was a little misunderstoodable .... i thought about "desktop octacore" to open up mass production for this chips and thus cheap prices.
Thanks for this explanation. It was really needed to show that it was not simply a cover story because of the delay for rock.
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